Recorded at Vatom House in Venice Beach, serial entrepreneur and tech visionary Eric Pullier opens up to Benj about a life that has taken him from co-founding one of Southern California's first internet incubators with Microsoft co-founder Paul Allen as his first investor, to surviving the dot-com crash, a brutal DOJ and SEC investigation that threatened him with 30 years in prison, and ultimately having all charges dropped in the interest of justice. In a rare and candid conversation, Eric traces the origin of programmable NFTs — an idea born over a beer while thinking about the Satoshi whitepaper — and his groundbreaking work alongside futurist and XPRIZE founder Peter Diamandis and AI pioneer Emad Mostaque on sovereign AI governance engines designed to bring open-source governance to countries around the world. Weaving together Surgeon General Vivek Murthy's loneliness epidemic, David Brooks' concept of the second mountain, and Jacqueline Novogratz's Acumen Fund model, Eric and Benj explore how in-person human connection, authentic purpose, and the entrepreneurial spirit are real antidotes to the mental health crisis defining our generation. This is a masterclass in resilience — from a man who has started 16 companies, faced financial ruin more than once, and come out the other side saying he's never had more fun in his life.